When you Understand that from Sin nature becomes messed up and cursed ..you need to get the fact that sin is not an idea or a concept ..it is physical and is real it is manifested by action much like murder this sin is shown and is revealed in a real physical way ..

     I guess people cannot see it so it does not truly exist to them..take cancer we cannot see it (with the human eye) but we see its physical end results ..death ..now if we look at sin as wrong, we can see that something went wrong in the body something in the translation in our genes and you see the end result lead to death .  

       This will help us peak into why tidal waves that kill people or why this or that or any natural catastrophe  ..it is NOT GOD killing us or them because of judgement, the cases of God judging is in the old testament to be read about and it served a much higher purpose then some village being destroyed because nature went to the crapper..

   God does indeed allow this to occur and ya he could indeed prevent this as well BUT if prevented suffering that leads to an understanding that we need to repent would not happen when people die on us we suffer greatly and this suffering helps to make repenting , we turn to God or away from him  sometimes we turn away from him and then to him over it. Now the people that died those not having been given a REAL chance and I mean a real one ..not some hack saying accept Jesus or you shall be turned into a frog and boiled. Scripture shows that people from the flood of noah was given a chance to repent when Christ descended into hell! Not sure why ministers these days want to overlook this fact or as the cult churches that have to desperately cling to a no soul doctrine will say "no it was the spirit of christ in noah by which he preached to them of the flood" lol ya RIGHT hehe . Sorry this is blatant and bs oversight .the fact that Christ is given the keys to hell and death ..oh ya hell and what DEATH hmmm..looks like 2 things not one i thought hell was death shoel was the grave ...gees ..or fear not matthew 10:28 says, “And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.” Of course we see the cults trying desperately to rape and twist the meaning of the verse ..one is so bold as to say that soul means capacity to live ..and that is a total twisting of  the definition here ..soul here is your ghostly you .. and this scripture is clearly showing that BOTH body AND Soul not body and then soul represents the ressurection that you could have gotten but did not ..this is what is totally annoying to me when you have willfully brain dead people desperately trying to twist a scripture into forcing it to say what you need it to.

Not convinced of soul bible wise? 2I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven. Whether it was in the body or out of the body I do not know—God knows. 3And I know that this man—whether in the body or apart from the body I do not know, but God knows— 4was caught up to paradise and heard inexpressible things, things that no one is permitted to tell. 

Now we have an apostle IF the doctrine was no soul I do not feel Paul would even have a question if he was "in the body or out "when caught up into paradise

there are plenty more scriptures that show soul take the reverse sort of way to see it ..IF a demon can enter and possess a person and all understood this to be the case ..as when the scripture shows the apostles casting a demon out of a female it the scripture says and HE came out of Her ..ahem, ya its not the mind nor some other deal it shows a HE leaving HER body..

Acts 18:16 And it came to pass, as we went to prayer, a certain damsel possessed with a spirit of divination met us, which brought her masters much gain by soothsaying: 17 The same followed Paul and us, and cried, saying, These men are the servants of the most high God, which shew unto us the way of salvation. 18 And this did she many days. But Paul, being grieved, turned and said to the spirit, I command thee in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her. And he came out the same hour.

 So we can plainly see if a spirit can operate in a body I am pretty sure a body is meant to have a spirit and be controlled by a spirit and the body is just a shell . there are plenty of stories in the bible of people taken over by demons controlled by them .now i may really be reaching her.I say if a spirit can sit in a car and drive it around the car probably was made to be sat in and drove .. 

Hopefully I do not have to make 10 pages of separate talk and commonsense wording to convince anyone that as far a soul goes that the biblical Christians did in deed believe in a ghostly us ..

even the parable though symbolic shows Jesus talking about a rich-man alive in hell and asking for water and asking that Abraham send someone back to tell his family and convince them to change now if people did not understand the belief was a life after death and hell could be real and you could have a soul that goes there why would Jesus bring about a parable with all these features in it?  add this point to all the scriptures shown above and I am pretty sure you need to get this point not some church with a fear of a soul that can go to a bad place pretending something does not exist makes it worse then knowing it does and avoiding it . moving on if you still do not think the christians and such did not believe in a soul then you have an emotional block in that area ..as i do in others myself so i get it.

  We as people can only see some of Gods plan ..take the USA this country like it or not is based on allot of forgiveness this forgiveness comes because we understand that people need to be forgiven  this forgiveness seems to be being removed in stages now however with this Governments push for control and power and we are giving up our rights.

That aside Christ is or was a big part of america so it makes since that we built up strong on ..and it makes sense that taking away Him will tear us down . I remember talking to a couple people from another country ..they loved america I asked why ..and they said because of forgiveness..this really made me think that is the last response i expected to hear why? because I took it for granted and was used to people letting go of crap ..but when you come from a country that has long memories of crimes you can be smashed then or 50 years from then .

Now if you have a group of people that understand the weather gets into turmoil the more that willful sinning happens the more a mass group of people do what they want and turn their backs on the creator ..well ya nature acts up ..understand this is not because god waves his magic wand ..we do.. nature cannot go against nature and not have a reaction from nature happen ..we seem to be the only creatures on the planet that can KNOW what is right ..how to be ..and yet do the opposite ..we are liars spiteful revengeful back talking god hating people ..that's just for starters ..NONE of us are good!

    I do not care what you are thinking right now ..all of our ways are selfish ..even when we do something good allot of times there is some self serving purpose in the mix be it it makes us feel better to help and so we do that (this is a good trait no doubt)  who is willing to help someone if it hurts themselves in a mentally anguishing way  I understand that yes we will do this because of pure caring from time to time but NOT all the time and not even some of the time but once and a while so it is in us but not in any consistent manner

  Myself ..I really do not like to help others lol I do not want to even crawl  out of my room to see people ..ya I know I am a great human being hehe I have no energy have had none sense as far back as i can remember teen years I went out did things but was always tired and that's simple fact so for me when i help its a major effort ..but I do help MY motive? because It is the right thing to do..for some reason that inspires me to do it ..I used to because of worry of  God but I no longer do things because I am worried of hell meaning yes i would do something if hell is an issue but it typically does not get to that point for me to do or help take writing all these pages ..there is no joy in this trust me and I actually want people to understand what is being said in this but if they do not then again to me i am not worried about the soul of those that do not believe as I feel they do not have as much to worry about as a willfully sinning Christian the ones that seems to be shown worthy of hell-fire not the atheist or those that simply cannot believe because  as shown those types where in deed preached to by Christ when his body was killed for the three days ..

   I understand you can never earn heaven and that it is a gift granted by Jesus ..ya we need to watch out for willful sins or we get beat down hard and make no mistake a christian can willfully sin their way out of being a christian and into hell ..they can sin up until the holyspirit that convicts them of sin has been blasphemed to the point of leaving and thats it..this is truth or else a persons end cannot be worse then its beginning ..because in the beginning if you are going to hell thats really bad then you convert and on your way to heaven NOW you wilfully sin get entangled up in as before and your end is worse HOW? because you are going to hell BUT no chance of Christ giving you one last repenting chance as was given to them that sinned in noahs time those that were taken out by the flood .

2 Peter 2:2 

     

1But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves. 2Many will follow their depraved conduct and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. 3In their greed these teachers will exploit you with fabricated stories. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.

4For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell,a putting them in chains of darknessb to be held for judgment; 5if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others; 6if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly; 7and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the depraved conduct of the lawless 8(for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)— 9if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from trials and to hold the unrighteous for punishment on the day of judgment. 10This is especially true of those who follow the corrupt desire of the fleshc and despise authority.

Bold and arrogant, they are not afraid to heap abuse on celestial beings; 11yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not heap abuse on such beings when bringing judgment on them fromd the Lord. 12But these people blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like unreasoning animals, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like animals they too will perish.

13They will be paid back with harm for the harm they have done. Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.e 14With eyes full of adultery, they never stop sinning; they seduce the unstable; they are experts in greed—an accursed brood!15They have left the straight way and wandered off to follow the way of Balaam son of Bezer,f who loved the wages of wickedness. 16But he was rebuked for his wrongdoing by a donkey—an animal without speech—who spoke with a human voice and restrained the prophet’s madness.

17 These people are springs without water and mists driven by a storm. Blackest darkness is reserved for them. 18 For they mouth empty, boastful words and, by appealing to the lustful desires of the flesh, they entice people who are just escaping from those who live in error. 19 They promise them freedom, while they themselves are slaves of depravity—for “people are slaves to whatever has mastered them.” 20 If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and are overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning. 21 It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them. 22 Of them the proverbs are true: “A dog returns to its vomit,”g and, “A sow that is washed returns to her wallowing in the mud.”

UNDERSTAND the Christian does not have another way to have sins removed if you spit on the sacrifice of Christ in this manner you make void his blood and you grieve the holy spirit and continually doing this is to deny Christ and his power where by Christs has stated if you deny me before man I will deny you before the Father ..Lord have we not cast out demons in your name remember this scripture people believed in Christ and did works yet christ says depart from me you evil doers I know ye not. 

   why oh why would he deny reject these people if they were doing works in his name? willful sins ..if you understand

1But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves. 2Many will follow their depraved conduct and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. 3In their greed these teachers will exploit you with fabricated stories. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.

4For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell,a putting them in chains of darknessb to be held for judgment; 5if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others; 6if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly; 7and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the depraved conduct of the lawless 8(for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)— 9if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from trials and to hold the unrighteous for punishment on the day of judgment. 10This is especially true of those who follow the corrupt desire of the fleshc and despise authority.

Bold and arrogant, they are not afraid to heap abuse on celestial beings; 11yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not heap abuse on such beings when bringing judgment on them fromd the Lord. 12But these people blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like unreasoning animals, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like animals they too will perish.

13They will be paid back with harm for the harm they have done. Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.e 14With eyes full of adultery, they never stop sinning; they seduce the unstable; they are experts in greed—an accursed brood!15They have left the straight way and wandered off to follow the way of Balaam son of Bezer,f who loved the wages of wickedness. 16But he was rebuked for his wrongdoing by a donkey—an animal without speech—who spoke with a human voice and restrained the prophet’s madness.

17These people are springs without water and mists driven by a storm. Blackest darkness is reserved for them. 18For they mouth empty, boastful words and, by appealing to the lustful desires of the flesh, they entice people who are just escaping from those who live in error. 19They promise them freedom, while they themselves are slaves of depravity—for “people are slaves to whatever has mastered them.” 20If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and are overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning. 21It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them. 22Of them the proverbs are true: “A dog returns to its vomit,”g and, “A sow that is washed returns to her wallowing in the mud.”

 

     he does the work in us ( and has a long  way to go with me) and we take no credit for this work ..so there is no judging of others ..I am not saying we do not tell others that or of his flock (Christians) that something is wrong that they do ..this is clearly written in scripture long before we knew what was wrong so God has already judged this we just relay a message our fellow brethren may not have heard..NOW the judging part comes from heart if you say it out of malice or spite ..

    truthfully you should take your fist and quickly punch yourself in your stupid mouth! Also we never are to judge in the non malice or malice sense the people who are not Christians because God does that and they are right to not want you to tell them ..I do feel when it comes to extremes that people should know is right or wrong you need to say something I mean i would hate to see someone killing someone in front of you and just walk on by with "well who am I to judge this" So we get that it covers 90% of sins we do not say anything about lol...so nature is allowed to run rampaged on our asses and God will intervene as he sees fit ..not when we want ..  and He will forgive sins as he chooses because he earned this right and he allows sin to make us suffer to help us along in converting ..he chose this method as best because it IS best under what we allowed to happen ..I guess most people cannot grasp what just 1 wrong can do maybe because we are so used to just forgiving others that we feel that 1 wrong should not cause all this damage ..but it does            

 

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