Real short so I can remember this .. forgiveness takes actions on Gods part before christ .. meaning true forgiveness that lasts .. which is why he came to die .. when he says I will forgive you he does it its not mouth only ..he had to appease his own nature ..just like all the laws needed to be fulfilled .. by christ even his name had to be earned .. I sat back wondering how God could even know what its like that no matter what you do you are under his wrath .. and talked to a minister very smart ..talked about the cross .. the point was that i believe was meant ..is that during this time God turned his back on his son .. due to sin which is when Christs says father why hast thou forsaken me .. he felt what we feel under sin that we have no choice but to be under .. now had christ committed the sins we layed on him then he would be guilty of them and never have ressurected so theres this piece i believe the churches are not looking at carefully and it clears up a couple scriptures in the mean time ..that he enticed sin to come at him and beat him and kill him ..so that he in turn could now judge sin for commiting a crime against the earliest command the wages of sin is death ..he was killed and this is why he said father fogive them for they know now what the do .. to take guilt away from the poeple and lay it on the evil that inspired this sin .. this is how christ earned the right to destroy sin as he chooses ... 

 

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